More Questions From Pittsburgh University.

HI! Here are some more questions from my students.  I am not sure if you want to do these, but I figured I’d send these on.

Tony

Questions:

 

  1. How did loyalist prisoners’ perceptions of the PIRA and OIRA change through their contact with them in prison?
  2. Did your views concerning the conflict change after being in prison? If so, in what ways were they changed? And do you think your views would have changed had you not gone to prison?
  3. My question is, did any of the relationships built inside Long Kesh survive outside prison walls? Did anyone maintain contact with members of the other side, and if so was this simply for peace talks?
    1. Or were genuine friendships between loyalists and republicans built in Long Kesh?”

 

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25 Responses to More Questions From Pittsburgh University.

  1. Sorry but these ridiculous questions lead me to believe that, some one has been feeding these students false information.
    I would suggest that, these students start their studies all over again, starting at the beginning of the conflict in the late sixties.
    It was then, that the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Movement was formed by an assorted collection of, militant republicans, communists, nationalists, and active republican socialists like Saint John Hume, who were falsely posing as democratic socialists in their attempts to usurp by force, the democratic right of the people of Northern Ireland to decide their own destiny.
    This collection of well known republican agitators had one sole unifying cause, the undemocratic unification of Ireland by subversion.
    Genuine civil rights for all, was never the intention of this collection of republican agitators, they were well aware of the fact that the Protestant Working Class had as little Civil rights, as their Working Class Catholic neighbours, yet these republican agitators repeatedly organised bogus civil rights march’s through Protestant Working Class area’s, with the sole intention of provoking a response from the Loyalist Working Class and the inevitable confrontation with the democratically appointed security forces.

    The British Government bent over backwards in their efforts to appease this IRA infiltrated band of subversives, genuine democracy was abolished with the suspension of the Stormont Government, the B specials who were Northern Irelands first line of defence especially in border area’s, were abolished. The RUC were disarmed and the Northern Ireland Regiments of the British Army were barred from serving in Northern Ireland.
    The British Governments policy of containment by appeasement, led the IRA to believe that victory was achievable, so they stepped up their indiscriminate slaughter of innocent civilians, via their no warning indiscriminate bombing campaign throughout Northern Ireland.
    This was the straw that finally broke the camels back, the Loyalist Working Class realised that the British Government had absolutely no intention, of seriously attempting to defeat the IRA.
    All over Northern Ireland the Loyalist Working Class mobilised, first into local community defence groups, and then into active service units to retaliate in response to IRA atrocities.
    Unlike the situation in 1912, the Orange Order Leadership and the Northern Ireland Unionist Party Leadership of the early seventies both failed to provide unifying support, leadership, funds, or facilities, hence the formation of the various totally Working Class Loyalist Paramilitary Organisations.

    In a general summary for the benefit of the students of Pittsburgh University and an all encompassing answer to all their questions, it is suffice to say that in defence of democracy, “we stood where we stood, because we could do no other.”
    Was it worth the sacrifice? The facts speak for themselves, we held the line against belligerent militant republicanism, when the British Government were on the point of capitulation, with the result that the union is now more secure, than it has ever been.

    As for fraternisation with the enemy, that ludicrous question does not even warrant a serious reply from the Volunteers of the compounds.

  2. Charlie, you have a very toxic version of events. Not a mention about the UVF killings in the late 60″s. Or why catholics led by a protestant protested for one man one vote etc..

    Yes, some prisioners built up friendships (even working ones) that have lasted until today.

    Part of the problem during the civil right protests the world over during the 1960′s was working class protestants living in Shankill Road slums thought they were better than working class catholics living in the same type of slum housing on the Falls Road.

  3. Billy Joe

    In response to question 1…..my own perceptions were mixed. Because that PIRA remained on a war footing for the length of time that I was in Long Kesh my feelings about them as a group or an organisation changed very little. If anything through the frustrations of not being able to counter it in any way I became probably even more opposed to their campaign. The Officials on the other hand had, by and large turned away from the violence and I suppose my attitude towards them softened. During my years there however on occasions I struck uop relationships with both Provies and Stickies. I was able to carry on conversations with some either through the wire or when we were out at the football pitch. Of course most of the conversations would centre on what was happening outside and trying to predict what would happen in the future. One of the Provies I befriended had little or no interest in “the Troubles” and preferred to talk about football. The Stickies–Officials–on the whole predictably spoke of the working class struggle and the need for working classes to be united.
    My views certainly changed the longer I was in prison. The campaign that we undertook in the early seventies had came and went and now the jails were almost filled to capacity with young Loyalists. By the late seventies or early eighties there was a collective feeling that what was happening on the outside was ineffectual and more importantly achieving nothing. Prior to this I believe there was an admittance–from the UVF/RHC that nothing was going to be gained through violence–hence the initiatives now well alluded to in Tony Novosels recent book. In all honesty I dont believe my views would have changed that much if I had of remained on the outside. It is only when you have the time to refelct that you can do so properly.
    Although I know of many relationships within Long Kesh they were really only cosmetic in that I know of no true friedships that flourished on the outside. Of course I am speaking from a personal viewpoint here and can be corrected. Having said that though I have met many ex Republican prisoners in recent years who I continue to have a close and friendly relationship with. We discuss many topics–attend events together and on the odd occasion socialise but I stress these relationships were instigated post Long Kesh–not during imprisonment.

  4. Hi Charlie,
    Just in reference to your comments on this last post. Many a night I spent walking with Gusty round the wire of the Kesh. Many a day I walked and talked with Davy Irvine and Billy Mitchell. Many a day I went over to the UDA and talked with friends there. I also talked with the sticks and Provos. I even ended up having talks with the screws. I recall Gusty talking about Joe Mc Cann and Gusty writing a letter to Mc Canns widow after he was shot dead by the Army in the Markets. He wrote a letter because the IRA caught two UVF in the Markets but let them go on Mc Canns order. It is still not well known that loyalists tried to help Provos in the aftermath of the big fire of ’74 after they got punished by the army. There are many examples where UVF (and UDA) prisoners acted with a degree of humanity and care for others.
    Many friendships have existed between IRA and Loyalist exprisoners after release. One aspect of these friendships is to destroy the perceptions that all the early UVF prisoners where psychopathic monsters. Extreme violence used, yes. Psychopathic ,no. We had a cause and done what we had to, given the context and circumstances. I don’t fraternise with anybody. I have friends and I have acquaintances. I chose which is which these days.
    Primo.

  5. Primo,

    First I’d like to thank you for your explanation several weeks ago about Innocent Victims Are Not Always Genuine . I have linked it on several sites. One being The Pensive Quill. Between us, I reckon if you contacted Anthony, he’d run it as an article. I think it is an excellent piece.

    Getting back to the question about Loyalist’s & Republicans forging friendships. I already knew about Gutsy Spence writing a letter to Big Joe Mccann’s wife and the reasons for not shooting dead two/three UVF volunteers because They were working class men like ourselves..As for the aftermath of the fire in the compounds/cages and the olive branch offered by some Loyalists. I didn’t know that.

    What I was surprised to find out while reading Voices from the Grave was Brendan Hughes struck up a friendship of sorts with one of the Shankill Butchers Robert ‘basher’ Bates…or shortly after the 1981 hunger strikes and a new republican leadership was in place within the H-blocks, they (republican leadership in prison), wanted total segregation. One of the ideas they came up with was to force the issue by attacking protestant ODC’s. One day Brendan got wind that they were going to set upon an elderly protestant ODC..He stepped an told them..”Fella’s, you aren’t hitting him in my name or that of Irish republicanism, lay off him”..

    And your point the perceptions that all the early UVF prisoners where psychopathic monsters.. I have never once bought in to that line of thought from both sides of the oxymorons. Where there psychopathic monsters on all sides..Beyond a shadow. A simple search on ‘Google’ for The Pitchfork killings’ show that even the British had monsters within their ranks…
    Finishing on unlikely friendships/working relationships. Laurence McKeown (he was on the 1981 hunger strike) is working with a former RUC SB officer on a play/book today…..

  6. Sorry lads, but the truth is that the opinions of the chosen few, who you and others continually portray as examples of progressive unionism, were in fact and still are a tiny minority, within the ranks of the UVF/RHC, Volunteers, both inside and outside the compounds of Long Kesh during the seventies.
    I can personally assure you that during my time as RSM, of all UVF/RHC, Compounds in Long Kesh and as second in command of compound 18 that, no Volunteer other than our camp commander Gusty Spence, ( or his representative) was authorised to have dialogue with the enemy.
    Davy Ervine was a sergeant in compound 18, at this time and never had the opportunity, nor ever expressed the desire to fraternise with the enemy, during my tenure.
    The Volunteers of compound 18, under the command of the late Danny Strutt, during the mid seventies, knew exactly why they had taken up arms in defence of the democratic right of the people of Northern Ireland to decide their own future and in retaliation to the indiscriminate slaughter of innocent civilians, by the no warning sectarian bombing campaign of the IRA.
    Although there was small group of well respected born again Christians in compound 18, there were absolutely none of the allegedly, ideologically born again repentant Loyalists who today seem to be more interested in sharing the mantle of victimhood and fraternising with the IRA, than fighting them.

    Let us be clear and honest here for the benefit of the students of Pittsburgh. The Volunteers of compound 18, were all Working Class Volunteers of the early seventies. We did not consider ourselves to be victims, of the noisy, empty, Loyalist politicians who were only prepared to fight to the last drop of our Working Class blood.(We despised them for their cowardice). We did not consider ourselves victims of our forefathers cause of, “For God and Ulster”, ( It was never for sale, and especially not for abnormal votes or overseas popularity). We did not consider ourselves victims of Class. (We were and still are proud of our Working Class Principles). We did not consider ourselves victims of our land of birth. (We were proud to have followed our forefathers in defence of democracy and the defence of good over evil.)
    In short, we unconditionally,as willing Ulster Volunteers, accepted full and unrepentant responsibility for our actions.
    In the early seventies the late Danny Strutt and myself in discussion with our Camp Commander Gusty Spence, informed Gusty that although we recognised his own personal good intentions in having dialogue with the IRA commander, we the Volunteers of compound 18, considered the IRA to be incapable of trust, or change. The passing years and the present day situation has proved that the Old Volunteers of compound 18 were perfectly correct.

  7. In the interests of clarification and the factual recording of history, it is also important to point out for the students of Pittsburgh, that at no time either during or immediately after the burning of Long Kesh did UVF/RHC Volunteers aid, or treat injured IRA members.

  8. Billy Joe

    Just a couple of points in relation to the comments by Primo and Charlie. Being unfortunate enough to have been in Compound 11 when the Provisionals burned the majority of Long Kesh Camp to the ground–including Loyalist Cages, despite assurances from the Provo comman staff that they wouldnt be touched–I have vivid recollections of that October night. Loyalists DID help many of the IRA prisoners who had been hurt–some seriously–but alas–none of the helpers were UVF/Red Hand. I witnessed on many occasions that night possees of UDA men–from C19 going out too the football pitch–dressed in blankets poncho like–and coming back carrying injured IRA men on makeshift stretchers–doors or pieces of tin. They were put into the back end of the half hut and canteen were some basic first aid was administered. At no time did I see help from UVF/RHC in this manner. Earlier in the night..not long after the start of the blaze I was one of a party who was instructed to go from C14–Loyalist Internees at the time–to rescue a UVF internee who was in the prison hospital after suffering an almost fatal heart attack. I was accompanied to the hospital by Lenny Murphy–Basher Bates and Michael Hegan. When we got to the hospital and broke in apart from the UVF internee–Buster Wade–there was a YP who was recovering from an appendix operation and an older man–an Official IRA prisoner who was also ill. He was hiding under the bed–fearing it was the Provies breaking the door down. All three were escorted–in their dressing gowns–to 14 where they remained until the next day when everyone was repatriated to wherever they originally belonged–within the jail of course. The Official was extremely grateful to be rescued–he was given a bed in 14 and a guard–A UVF prisoner— set outside his cubicle. If this is seen as colloborating with the enemy–it was purely on humanitarian grounds. I also believe that at some point during the night there was a representation to both the prison and the Army from Gusty and John McKeague to try to call a truce and a halt to the fighting which was mostly occuring on the 2 football pitches. My own biggest personal fear that night was when we realised the Provies were coming into the compound and we had to arm ourselves in the huts. Not knowing what was going to happen was particularly frightening.

  9. A pretty accurate account Billy Joe, except for the fact that it was in daylight on the day after the fire, that Gusty and John McKeague ventured out to negotiate a truce, between the army and the remaining cornered IRA prisoners.

    • It also needs to be added that there is a huge difference between humanitarian aid and fraternisation with the enemy and the screws. This fraternisation would never have been tolerated by the UVF/RHC command structure prior to my release in March 1977.

  10. I would suggest that, these students start their studies all over again, starting at the beginning of the conflict in the late sixties

    Ok Charlie where in the late 60′s is the starting point? Before or after Gutsy Spence was found guilty of killing innocent catholics?

    It was then, that the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Movement was formed by an assorted collection of, militant republicans, communists, nationalists, and active republican socialists like Saint John Hume, who were falsely posing as democratic socialists in their attempts to usurp by force, the democratic right of the people of Northern Ireland to decide their own destiny.

    You left out Ivan Cooper, who was a working class protestant (like yourself charlie). He was also one of the founders of the Stoops (SDLP ). He seen nothing wrong with one man, one vote, equal housing,employment…

    This collection of well known republican agitators had one sole unifying cause, the undemocratic unification of Ireland by subversion

    Are these the same well known republican agitators given to the BA on the morning of interment? Or another bunch charlie?

    Genuine civil rights for all, was never the intention of this collection of republican agitators, they were well aware of the fact that the Protestant Working Class had as little Civil rights, as their Working Class Catholic neighbours, yet these republican agitators repeatedly organised bogus civil rights march’s through Protestant Working Class area’s, with the sole intention of provoking a response from the Loyalist Working Class and the inevitable confrontation with the democratically appointed security forces.

    Charlie take off you rose tinted what ever..The rights Ivan Cooper & NICRA (one man, one vote etc) protested for, got beaten into ground by the B-Specials , RUC, inflamed protestants fired up by Big Ians brand of Ulsterism. They wanted that applied across the board for everyone (catholic, protestant & dissenter). Unfortunatly the set up at the time meant only the rich and famous (on both sides) got the chance to vote.

    The narrative you want people to believe is wrong. During the mid/late 60′s within nationalist communities, there was very little thought about the use of arms. And to think that the whole civil rights protests was some kind of hidden republican agenda is wrong. Growing up during the conflict, learning about it, reading about it, former provisionals have admited they had sweet fcuk all to do with the formation of NICRA etc.

    You can argue they capitalised on what NICRA started even manipulated NICRA’s agenda to suit their ideals. Show me one history book were former republicans said “We set up NICRA for our own agenda and all this one man, one vote was a smoke screen”…

  11. Just another shovel full of the same old stinking regurgitated, recycled shite, shovelled up yet again from between the legs and from underneath the cowardly skirts, of a cowardly anonymous, buggery supporting, republican atheist mouthpiece, totally without the courage to put its name to the regurgitated, recycled shite it writes.

  12. This fraternisation would never have been tolerated by the UVF/RHC command structure prior to my release in March 1977.

    Excluding the fraternisation that led to the 1974 secret talks by Loyalist’s & Republicans attended by Gusty Spence (a then very senior person within the UFV).

    they were well aware of the fact that the Protestant Working Class had as little Civil rights, as their Working Class Catholic neighbours

    If you can think like that charlie..Then why think like this…

    yet these republican agitators repeatedly organised bogus civil rights march’s through Protestant Working Class area’s, with the sole intention of provoking a response from the Loyalist Working Class and the inevitable confrontation with the democratically appointed security forces.

    What stopped Working class protestants in the mid/late 60′s from joining the republican agitators ? Ian Paisley’s fire brand politics? Why didn’t working class protestants think instead..”Hey ‘I’ haven’t got a pot to piss in either, big house Unionism is screwing ‘me’ too. But I can’t vote because I don’t own a property. “. And think..”I’ll have a look at what civil rights Big Ivan and the students are talking about. Maybe the right to vote is on the list, better working conditions with more rights, better housing, …….”

  13. @Billy Joe,
    Describing Lenny Murphy and Basher Bates as humanitarianist’s because they didn’t kill a known OIRA volunteer is stretching it a little. Both were psychopath’s who used the cover of the UVF for their own sadistic ends and Murphy more than Bates enjoyed it. Freddie Scappaticci was a psychopath, who used the cover of the IRA to satisfy his psychotic tendencies. I don’t think you’d get too many republicans trying to put both Freddie’s name and the word ‘humanitarian’ in the same phrase never mind trying to imply he was.

    Isn’t it possible that order’s were given that any ‘enemy POW’ caught wasn’t to be touched but held under guard. And that’s why Lenny & Basher never killed the OIRA volunteer. Simply they were under orders, not that both had some moral compass and a decent code of ethics?

  14. Frankie–the point I was making around the incident in the prison hospital was to distinguish perhaps the difference between how we acted when imprisoned as against what we may have done on the outside. You can have your own opinions on Murphy and Basher and you are entitled to them–as you are on Scappiticci–but the act of taking an IRA prisoner from a place of danger and making sure he was safe I would consider to be a humanitarian act under those circumstances. And later in the evening–as has already been stated when Provisionals were brought into a Loyalist compound where they received shelter and first aid–albeit from UDA men–it would have been very simple for others to have harmed them further. So, whether volunteers were responding to orders or not either they or those who issued the orders were acting compassionately to individuals who were perceived as enemies. And I also would point out that in October 1974 there were quite a few “psycopathic” Provies incarcereated in Long Kesh, who I am sure, given the opportunity would have done their best to eliminate a few chosen UVF prisoners.

  15. Catch yourself on Billy Joe, you are wasting your time trying to talk sense to this bitter twisted cowardly anonymous, self confessed buggery supporting, republican atheist scumbag. He has already been caught out lying on this site. Now he is trying to sell the lie that working class Catholics and Protestants didn’t have a vote prior to the republican orchestrated civil rights campaign. Lying bullshit as usual, the poor pathetic idiot is obviously starting to believe, the republican black propaganda he habitually spews up.
    For the benefit of the Pittsburgh students the truth is, that property owners had extra votes.

  16. Charlie,

    What planet are you living on? I live on the 3rd rock from the sun.

    bitter twisted cowardly anonymous, self confessed buggery supporting, republican atheist scumbag.

    Could you explain not only to myself but to the world how you drew that conclusion . Show me where I said I am a republican? I can show you where I said, I grew up in Ardoyne and call myself a Belfast Rockabilly. I can link quotes from myself on at least one blog where former provisonals debate and they accept I’m not a republican. Why can’t you? As for this ‘supporting buggery’, I can assure you charlie I am straight and I have never taken one for the team in my life (in fact the thought has never entred my head). If you are refering to Gerry Adams denial over what he did/didn’t do, knew etc. I feel the same as I do over the child abuse that was covered up by Loyalists (why is big house Unionism, N° 10 etc not so keen to ever talk about Kincora for example?). It was wrong then and is wrong now. It is vile and turns my stomach even talking about such subjects. I wouldn’t go as far as labeling me as an atheist either. I have a faith/belief but it isn’t what you’d call a christian one (or any sect of Christendom).

    Where have I lied on this site? If I have got facts wrong, that’s not actually lying. I’d call it (most others too I guess) mis-informed, not factually correct etc..But to call me a liar is a bit disingenuous

    For the benefit of the Pittsburgh students the truth is, that property owners had extra votes.

    charlie forgot to add that the many (and there where many) families living in the same squalid conditions (on both sides) didn’t have the right to vote. Charlie why don’t you ‘link’ the social conditions both working class protestants a catholics put up with in in Derry during the civil rights protests or Belfast for that matter. Did every working class protestant have the right to vote??????. It would be a great benefit to them in their research. People could work and pay taxes. But they didn’t have the right to vote in the masters who would decide how the taxes would be spent. they didn’t have right to decide the law makers….Not every catholic or protestant owned their own home or had their name on a tennancy charlie. And NO charlie, NICRA wasn’t thought about in South Armargh, West Belfast or North Dublin over several pints of guinness in the lates 60′s while republican atheist scumbag’s where listening to the Bob Dylan singing ‘The times are a changing’ (the fact they were and still are is a different ball park charlie).

    What a lot of loyalist’s wrongly believed then was the crap your political leaders where spewing. Not to dis-similar to what you are doing today charlie. The same voices charlie that brain washed you into picking up a gun, planting a bomb, soon stopped hanging around like groupies after a concert any time the going got tough on the Loyalist side….

  17. the point I was making around the incident in the prison hospital was to distinguish perhaps the difference between how we acted when imprisoned as against what we may have done on the outside

    Billy Joe,

    That’s why I said , ‘ Isn’t it possible that order’s were given any ‘enemy POW’ caught wasn’t to be touched but held under guard. and bnot that both had some moral compass and a decent code of ethics’

    I’d like to think there were former UVF volunteers who would have instinctively shown their humanitarian side, given first aid, shelter etc to republican POW’s duing the 1974 buring but were under orders to simply protect their compund ‘ no one enters or leaves until the dust settles ‘.

    What Joe McCann done was humanitarian. What two of the Shankill Butchers did in arresting the OIRA volunteer was simply follow orders.

    And I also would point out that in October 1974 there were quite a few “psycopathic” Provies incarcereated in Long Kesh, who I am sure, given the opportunity would have done their best to eliminate a few chosen UVF prisoners.

    I wouldn’t stop at psycopathic provo’s killing just a chosen few UVF volunteers in Long Kesh if they had the chance. They had already killed Paddy Joe Crawford.

  18. Just another shovel full of the same old cowardly, bitter twisted regurgitated and recycled, republican black propaganda shit, shovelled up yet again from between the legs and from underneath the skirts of, the same compulsively lying and shamefully cowardly, self confessed buggery supporting, republican atheist slabber, who still cant find the courage to put his real name to what he writes.

  19. charlie,

    I thought I answered the reason why I use the ‘frankie’. In fact I am sure I have. Incase you missed it, here is the sxplantation the 2nd time, just for you charlie. It is simply a ‘nickname’ I recieved when I was a pup growing up in Ardoyne during the 1970′s and it stuck to the point some of my family still call me ‘frankie’ and do most of the people I knew while growing up in Belfast. Anytime I make a coment on this site I am required to fill in a space which asks for my email addy. Guess what charlie, it is the same email addy I have been using for at least 10 yrs and it contains (yep, you’ve guessed it..MY REAL NAME).

    While on the subject of people not using their real names but pseudonym’s..Why haven’t you questioned primo, compound, South Belfast, G Igutur or Dogs ( Loyalists who for whatever reason didn’t post under their real names? Or do they get a by ball because they are Loyalists and I’m simply a ‘wee taig’ ?

    Again charlie I don’t buy into any propaganda be it Republican, Loyalist, British or even the catholic church!! Would you like me to go to New York and put it in neon lights in Time Sq. Same goes for the allegations of child abuse that you are implying I support. Simply not true. As I mentioned before why don’t you direct your anger at the shamefully cowardly, self confessed buggery supporting, Loyalist/British atheist slabber’s who covered up the Kincora child abuse in the 1970′s & before?

    I could easily name charlie, several well know homosexual Loyalist’s who not only took one for the team but probably buggered other men in the name of Ulster. Have a ‘pop’ at them charlie. I’m straight charlie, not gay in any shape or form. What about you?

    As for this coward label you want to make stick on me…So because I never shot a man in the back or smashed my way into someones house at 6am in the morning with my face covered and riddled some family or planted a bomb that killed innpcent people, that makes me a coward in your eyes????

    You should get out more charlie………

  20. For the Pittsburgh-ians students who are interested in friendship on both sides of the oxymorons (peace lines) forged either insdie or outside of prison. Billy Michell frequently wrote articles on a republican blog, and other forms of the media,worked with former republicans in trying to unite the two sides by explaining his position to the CNR (catholic, nationalist & republican) community…

    Not all Loyalists think like charlie…

  21. Although initially the two groups co-operated closely a number of people contacted McClelland to tell him that McGrath was gay and that he was using the Tara-UVF link as a way to pick up young men. McClelland confronted McGrath who fiercely denied the allegations but nevertheless the relationship between the UVF and Tara was terminated and McClelland burnt the Tara ledger in which the names of his UVF men had been entered

    As you were saying about..compulsively lying and shamefully cowardly, self confessed buggery supporting, republican atheist slabber’s…..

    Does the same vemon that is directed towards me extend to former comrades of yourself who covered up former UVF volunteers involved in Kincora?..

    It was a dirty war charlie and each day new revelations about how murky it really was are being exposed on all sides..Republican, Loyalist and the British. You really should take off your rose coloured whatever charlie and tell it like it was…

  22. Just another cowardly shovel full of the same old dishonest, stinking recycled, regurgitated, republican black propaganda, spewed out yet again, by the same anonymous, compulsively lying, sad pathetic, long winded and consistently cowardly, republican slabber, that still cant summon up enough wind or even enough drunken false courage, to reveal its real name.

  23. Charlie,

    Would it make any difference to you if I did? And what about loyalist’s who post here using pseudonym’s..or like I said do they get a by ball from your rants bacause I’m a wee taig?

  24. Just another cowardly squeak, from a cowardly, anonymous compulsively lying, republican atheist, black propagandist, as usual totally lacking in the courage required to lend to his big mouth, even the tiniest shred of creditability, or accountability.